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Mandela was lucky because he lived long while some of his comrades died younger.

If Museveni was Uhuru Kenyatta, he would not attend ICC trial.

Uganda is prepared to send more troops to Central African Republic to help maintain peace there. And Joseph Kabila has agreed to sign a deal with defeated M23 rebels.

President Museveni discussed these and more issues during an interview with a French news channel last week.

I will first ask you about your reaction to the death of Nelson Mandela…

Well, it was very sad because he suffered, he was sick for quite a long time. I don’t know whether that sickness was caused by the years he spent in prison, he has made his contribution and he was old, he was not young, so it had to come.

And he was lucky in his case because there were some of his colleagues who died when they were much younger.

This one died at 95 years which was good. So on one hand it is sad, and on the other hand it is a pleasure that God gave him quite a bit of time to do what he wanted to do.

I want to get to the issues you have discussed on the peace and security summit (in France) in regard to the situation in Central African Republic (CAR).

There are African troops on the ground, the troops from France are arriving, there are reports of a massacre; what do you think is the solution there?

It is very sad; this is a problem because some of these groups which are ideologically bankrupt get support I don’t know from whom to destabilize young democracies, which may have their own problems also.

It is better you let the government go on and you vote it out rather than using guns wielded by people who don’t know what they are doing. So, it is very sad, but we are going to intervene. Africa and France, we are going to go in and sort it out.

Are you going to send in more troops as initially scheduled?

Yes, we have agreed… but the details are going to be worked out, I think President [of Chad, Idriss] Deby will give the interview and give you the details, but we have agreed in principle, to send more troops, yes, especially from Chad and other countries, Uganda as well.

Even Uganda, we already have our troops there in the East, but if we can send more, there is no problem. It doesn’t matter who sends, the issue is that they will be sent.

That being said, doesn’t it bother you that France is sending troops in CAR after doing so in Chad, in Libya and Ivory Coast?

In Libya and Ivory Coast they did not cooperate with the African Union (AU), so they had a problem there, but with Mali and with Central Africa now, we agreed, there is no problem. The issue is when we have not agreed.

But there is still a problem of Africans not being able to deal with African problems which were one of the roles of the summit to make sure that in the near future, Africa is able to do it.

Well, we have formed an African crisis response force… we shall be handling many of our problems and many of them are being handled by Africans.

Uganda has been mediating for months between the Congolese government and the M23 rebel group, then the fruits were that the M23 were defeated militarily.

However, there seems to be negotiations on the deal that did not happen very recently…

There will be a deal soon because the problems of Congo are not military, they are political; they must be handled politically in the end.

When you say soon; how soon do you think?

It will be soon; I agreed with President Kabila but the rest are our details.

There are accusations that both Uganda and Rwanda backed the M23 rebellion and that presumably you decided to withdraw your support and this explains partly the defeat of the group…

That is a lot of rubbish because if a group like that were supported by either us [Uganda] or Rwanda, it would have been much more serious, it would not be easy to defeat such a group if it was really supported by us.


What about the commander of the group Sultan Makenga? He is in Uganda; can you tell us what you are going to do with him?

He is wanted by Congo; he is blacklisted by the United Nations for serious crimes…

I don’t remember those details of ICC because for us we are not on good terms with ICC…We will get to that…ICC is not serious, they are a bit shallow, so my job is to bring peace in the Congo I am not bothered with ICC.

But with Mr Makenga; what are you going to do with him? What is his status in Uganda?

I don’t know his status, it is according to the agreements with the Congo government but I don’t know the details, I have not bothered to follow it up.

But would you be ready to hand him over to the Congolese authorities?

No, we don’t hand over people like that; unless it follows the law; uhhuu…we don’t hand over people.

But the Congolese authorities are saying that you protect him?

Protect him? We protect everybody, even Kabila was in Uganda. I protected Kabila when he was running away from Mobutu. Was it a bad thing?

Do you think the situation in eastern Congo will finally stabilize?

I think so, if the Congo government does bring stability to their country; it will be stable.

Do you trust Joseph Kabila to do so?

Well, he is the elected leader of Congo. It is up to the people of Congo to elect their leaders; it is not me.

Do you think he can indeed bring stability in the eastern Congo and address not only military murders but also address socio-economic problems in that regime?

The people of Congo are the ones who elected him, so they must be trusting him. For me I work with elected leaders of countries.

You have no problem with him nowadays?

Yes, we have no problem with President Kabila. One of the reasons why the situation doesn’t change is the appointment of the intervention brigade by the United Nations.

Recently the UN has installed the flying drones at the borders of Congo, Uganda and Rwanda. Do you think it is a good thing or it doesn’t bother you?

I have no problem. Drones are just eyes in the sky; so, they should be seeing what is happening, so I have no problem at all.

You don’t have any issue with that?

I don’t have any problem.

I want to get back to the International Criminal Court; you remember some years ago, Uganda referred the situation in the north of the country to the ICC. Do you regret that decision given your criticism of the ICC?

No, that time [Joseph] Kony was not in Uganda, he was in another country where we had no access to him. So, that is why we used a third court (ICC) which could pressurise the other country where Kony was, but in the case of Kenya these are within the jurisdiction of Kenya.

Why should the ICC insist on trying them far away from their country?
Secondly, some of the problems of Africa are not legal, they are ideological but the ICC seems to be using legal, legal… when in fact these issues are ideological. We think that is a shallow way of dealing with perceptional issues…

Are some of the issues racial?

I don’t know whether it is racist but it is certainly shallow, that is serious.

Do you think African states should withdraw from the ICC?

We may have to do that. If we are in bad company, we may have to do that, but we are still studying it.

Would you advise President Kenyatta not to attend his trials in the ICC?

He shouldn’t attend, if it was me I wouldn’t go there, because he is the elected leader of Kenya. If they want to… many of our constitutions say that when somebody is in office, he doesn’t go to our own courts, our internal courts, you wait until he has finished his mandate then you can take him to the other court if you want because the immunity doesn’t continue forever.

Last question, Mr President; you have been in power for 27 years; are you considering running again for president in the next elections scheduled for 2016?

That will be for my party to decide.

But you don’t rule it out?

That will be for my party to decide, that is what I am telling you.

Don’t you think that after many years in power it is a good sign for leaders to say, I am [exiting] the stage for younger generations to take over?

It depends on the assignments because if that was the approach, I have been acting for the last 50 years. It is not only 27 years, 50 years but much of that 50 years I was in the resistance. So, if I had said that I have resisted for five years, this is enough let me go home, what would have happened?

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+21 #1 Omulongo 2013-12-13 00:41
LOL. Inferiority complex in its lowest state; this man never stops to amaze. "That's up to the party to decide", indeed. Wow.
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+20 #2 Joseph 2013-12-13 02:22
Incredible answers! Talk about shallowness!
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+26 #3 Yoga Adhola 2013-12-13 04:03
President Museveni said: "It is better you let the government go on and you vote it out rather than using guns wielded by people who don’t know what they are doing."

Is Museveni talking about himself?
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+26 #4 Juma 2013-12-13 04:08
what a big fat hypocrite ... Mbu "better you let the government go on and you vote it out rather than use guns by people who don't know what they are doing".

Just like you did in 1980 Mr Museveni? Why didn't you take your own advice then? You are the worst war monger east africa has seen in the last 30 years and you have blood on your hands for all the wars you have started and the young Ugandans you have sent to fight your wars.

I pray that I'm alive when your turn comes to leave the stage. Believe me, it will not be a peaceful exit this you have made sure of and for your sake it's gonna be bad, kubanga abantu bakoowu Nyo Nyo Nyo !!!!
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+29 #5 Moses Okello 2013-12-13 05:07
Museveni is a suspect of crimes against humanity. It is the reason he fears and hate the ICC now. It’s not a secret that after the December 19, 2005, International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruling in the DR Congo versus Uganda civil case, Museveni became a potential ICC suspect.

Museveni was found liable of committing crimes against humanity, which include: massacres of civilians, mass rapes and looting of natural resources-- in Congo by the ICJ and the court awarded Congo $10bn in compensation.

It is the reason he [Museveni] approached Kofi Annan in a bid to block the ICC investigation. According to the Wall Street Journal, on its front page of June 8, 2006, but Kofi Annan refused and he told Museveni, he had no such powers to block the ICC.

May be former ICC prosecutor Luis Moreno Ocampo agreed and throw the case in the bin? Museveni supports Kenyatta to ignore the ICC, because he wants to find allies in crimes agains humanity.
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+16 #6 huh ! 2013-12-13 05:57
Can't wait to hand you over to the ICC along with the M23 leaders that are responsible for raping thousands of women and men in Congo, and pillaging their resources, like you did in Luwero and Northern Uganda for many years.

Your reign will go down in history as one of the most dismal, and evilly inflicted tragedies a black man has ever committed on his own people. You are nothing but shameful to put it very very politely.
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+14 #7 Chris Karuhanga 2013-12-13 06:51
Mr. Museveni says, 'So, if I had said that I have resisted for five years, this is enough let me go home, what would have happened?'.

And I say in response: 1.Your resistance war ended a very long time ago. 2. If you had gone home after that, Ugandans would have woken up to another great day under the sun and would have continued to do so, till today.

3.You'd have lived with respect and adulation, in fact, with no worry about witnessing future embarrassing contractions to your claims of bringing about fundamental change in Uganda.

4. You'd be more of a legend, as you once were, as a shadowy militaristic adventurer who nobody knew about but was nonetheless accorded recognition as representing some mythical / political messianic possibility in the eyes of a Ugandan people that had several times lost all hope.

I could go on, but I'd be preaching to the converted, who I believe would be an overwhelming majority of Ugandans.
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+13 #8 Chris Karuhanga 2013-12-13 06:56
'So, if I had said that I have resisted for five years, this is enough let me go home, what would have happened?'.Y.K.Museveni.
I say: Really?? What an overblown ego!
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+20 #9 Ssemujju Ibrahim 2013-12-13 07:17
Good interview. How I hope you had asked him about brutality on Kampala street and personal rule.

His wife is a minister, son commander of special forces, brother senior presidential advisor, and the rest of the family is in charge of the country.
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+18 #10 Patrick Sungura 2013-12-13 07:47
Why doesnt Museveni axcept that the project ``Tutsi domination of the Great lakes region`` has been defeated with the defeat of M23.

He should not decieve us that ,they were not involved and that it would be difficult to defeat M23 if they were involved. Who are they not to be defeated anyway. Shame on you war monger.
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+20 #11 Suleman 2013-12-13 09:41
'it would not be easy to defeat such a group if it was supported by us''But why should an person tell lies to the world?.

Was it easy to defeat M23. Heavy air and ground weaponary had to be used by the UNintervention forces. It was very clear that the UN was not fighting rag tag mutiniers but a force supported 'two' countries !

It was Uganda and Rwanda fighting,that is why 'HE cannot hand over Makenga- instead like Nkunda,Makenga will get Uganda citizenship and become one of the updf commanders.Anyway most of his speech is what is expected from him.
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+15 #12 Denzil 2013-12-13 09:43
It seems "my party will decide" answer by H.E M7 is becoming very infamous especially when he is NRM-O party and the party is him.

Nelson Madiba Mandela R.I.P made a personal decision to fight the injustice in his country and made a very unique personal decision to lead his country for only 5 years.

There were nothing like my party will decide. Many African selfish African leaders have made Mandela a hero he is by clinging on power forever.

Now can our visionary leader tell Ugandans and the whole world whether it is his party that decided that he goes to the bush so that we wait for party decision since he can not make a personal decision to say enough is enough? Just asking!
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+14 #13 Beyendeeza Edison 2013-12-13 10:36
"quote our misguided man...it is better you let the Government go on and vote it out rather that using guns wielded by people who don't know what they are doing".

At times i don't quite clearly believe Museveni is sane or insane. He has always lived on contradictions of himself and actions. Is that pure arrogancy or infirmary of mind?
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+16 #14 Lakwena 2013-12-13 10:38
M7 can't handover the M23 chief because he is a comrade in crime against humanity, who might spill the beans.

But M7 must be a very evil man; in the first place, how did he come to power in 1986, without the very violence, which he now advises the rebels in CAR against?

It is sickening when he says: 'It is better you let the government go on and you vote it out rather than using guns wielded by people who don’t know what they are doing'.

For sounding so ridiculous before the international media; if I were M7 I would simply kill myself, in order to avoid humiliating the members of my family.
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+13 #15 Lakwena 2013-12-13 10:42
Did M7, who genuinely and miserable lost to now his in-law (Muko), Hon Kuteesa in the 1980 General Elections, waited until 1986 and tried to mobilize support in order to vote out Kuteesa (1986)

Therefore, did M7 and his comrades in crime the FRONASA, UPM alias NRA/M vote out the UPC administration, rather than using guns wielded by people (mostly Rwandese refugees) who didn’t know what they are doing?

Because they didn't know what they were doing, didn't M7 train, arm and transport the same; who went to Rwanda in October 1990 and triggered a genocide, for which they turned around and blamed the West for not stopping it? Evil people, evil people!
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+8 #16 Lakwena 2013-12-13 10:49
Quoting Moses Okello:
It is the reason he [Museveni] approached Kofi Annan in a bid to block the ICC investigation. According to the Wall Street Journal, on its front page of June 8, 2006, but Kofi Annan refused and he told Museveni, he had no such powers to block the ICC.


Okello, the man being a tribalist thought, since Annan is an African, he would shield him from the ICC. If need be, Annan can be compromised, sic bribed, using the proceeds from the plunder and loot.
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+9 #17 Lakwena 2013-12-13 10:53
Quoting huh !:
Your reign will go down in history as one of the most dismal, and evilly inflicted tragedies a black man has ever committed on his own people. You are nothing but shameful to put it very very politely.


Huh, you may be mistaken: Ugandans are not M7's people. If they were, the man would not have done what he did to them and continue to do so.
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+13 #18 Jomo 2013-12-13 11:31
No wonder the Congolese have carried their agreement to go and sign from Nairobi.

Despite all the bravado and claims to fighting regressive forces, the government in Kampala has become so untrustworthy our neighbours don't really believe in it keeping its side of the bargain!
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+14 #19 njabulo 2013-12-13 11:41
The drones are eyes in the sky and their deployment coincides with the surrender of M23. Kony remains outside of Uganda so why the change of heart on ICC.

Could it be due to a pending indictment there. Mandela chose to resign from power. It was not a choice of the ANC. M7 has this choice also. His ego may not allow, but then this is not a problem of NRM choosing him, it is a clear sign of the infantilism of an over grown ego.

Grown men still playing at tin soldiers, only with real people's lives. Eastern practices, many aspects of Christianity and Islam teach that true enlightenment and wisdom come when the ego is brought under its owner's control.

In other words, M7 is trapped in an extreme and prolonged juvenile delinquency, much like Idi Amin, Mobutu, Mugabe etc. I POSIT THAT AFRICA'S PROBLEM IS ONE OF LEADERS THAT ARE UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO GROW UP!!!
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+6 #20 sn 2013-12-13 11:46
Quoting Yoga Adhola:
President Museveni said: "It is better you let the government go on and you vote it out rather than using guns wielded by people who don’t know what they are doing."

Is Museveni talking about himself?


Do not forget what he means by voting out!! Impossible with Kigundu and Kaihura with Omala and Kaweesi in the foreground and Nyombi with Otafire, Mbabazi, Kavuma and Odoki in the background to handle any court cases arising out of the rigging and beating people.

not sufficient evidence or malpractices not bad enough to cause major election flow.

Democracy Uganda style!! Not willing to hand over Sultan Makenga to UN!! But effectively trained M23 soldiers at Kyankwanzi who disorganised DRC this far. Do not use guns because he has too many more than you can gather..... He will kill too many of your innocent children, even those not holding guns...
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