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Mandela was lucky because he lived long while some of his comrades died younger.

If Museveni was Uhuru Kenyatta, he would not attend ICC trial.

Uganda is prepared to send more troops to Central African Republic to help maintain peace there. And Joseph Kabila has agreed to sign a deal with defeated M23 rebels.

President Museveni discussed these and more issues during an interview with a French news channel last week.

I will first ask you about your reaction to the death of Nelson Mandela…

Well, it was very sad because he suffered, he was sick for quite a long time. I don’t know whether that sickness was caused by the years he spent in prison, he has made his contribution and he was old, he was not young, so it had to come.

And he was lucky in his case because there were some of his colleagues who died when they were much younger.

This one died at 95 years which was good. So on one hand it is sad, and on the other hand it is a pleasure that God gave him quite a bit of time to do what he wanted to do.

I want to get to the issues you have discussed on the peace and security summit (in France) in regard to the situation in Central African Republic (CAR).

There are African troops on the ground, the troops from France are arriving, there are reports of a massacre; what do you think is the solution there?

It is very sad; this is a problem because some of these groups which are ideologically bankrupt get support I don’t know from whom to destabilize young democracies, which may have their own problems also.

It is better you let the government go on and you vote it out rather than using guns wielded by people who don’t know what they are doing. So, it is very sad, but we are going to intervene. Africa and France, we are going to go in and sort it out.

Are you going to send in more troops as initially scheduled?

Yes, we have agreed… but the details are going to be worked out, I think President [of Chad, Idriss] Deby will give the interview and give you the details, but we have agreed in principle, to send more troops, yes, especially from Chad and other countries, Uganda as well.

Even Uganda, we already have our troops there in the East, but if we can send more, there is no problem. It doesn’t matter who sends, the issue is that they will be sent.

That being said, doesn’t it bother you that France is sending troops in CAR after doing so in Chad, in Libya and Ivory Coast?

In Libya and Ivory Coast they did not cooperate with the African Union (AU), so they had a problem there, but with Mali and with Central Africa now, we agreed, there is no problem. The issue is when we have not agreed.

But there is still a problem of Africans not being able to deal with African problems which were one of the roles of the summit to make sure that in the near future, Africa is able to do it.

Well, we have formed an African crisis response force… we shall be handling many of our problems and many of them are being handled by Africans.

Uganda has been mediating for months between the Congolese government and the M23 rebel group, then the fruits were that the M23 were defeated militarily.

However, there seems to be negotiations on the deal that did not happen very recently…

There will be a deal soon because the problems of Congo are not military, they are political; they must be handled politically in the end.

When you say soon; how soon do you think?

It will be soon; I agreed with President Kabila but the rest are our details.

There are accusations that both Uganda and Rwanda backed the M23 rebellion and that presumably you decided to withdraw your support and this explains partly the defeat of the group…

That is a lot of rubbish because if a group like that were supported by either us [Uganda] or Rwanda, it would have been much more serious, it would not be easy to defeat such a group if it was really supported by us.

What about the commander of the group Sultan Makenga? He is in Uganda; can you tell us what you are going to do with him?

He is wanted by Congo; he is blacklisted by the United Nations for serious crimes…

I don’t remember those details of ICC because for us we are not on good terms with ICC…We will get to that…ICC is not serious, they are a bit shallow, so my job is to bring peace in the Congo I am not bothered with ICC.

But with Mr Makenga; what are you going to do with him? What is his status in Uganda?

I don’t know his status, it is according to the agreements with the Congo government but I don’t know the details, I have not bothered to follow it up.

But would you be ready to hand him over to the Congolese authorities?

No, we don’t hand over people like that; unless it follows the law; uhhuu…we don’t hand over people.

But the Congolese authorities are saying that you protect him?

Protect him? We protect everybody, even Kabila was in Uganda. I protected Kabila when he was running away from Mobutu. Was it a bad thing?

Do you think the situation in eastern Congo will finally stabilize?

I think so, if the Congo government does bring stability to their country; it will be stable.

Do you trust Joseph Kabila to do so?

Well, he is the elected leader of Congo. It is up to the people of Congo to elect their leaders; it is not me.

Do you think he can indeed bring stability in the eastern Congo and address not only military murders but also address socio-economic problems in that regime?

The people of Congo are the ones who elected him, so they must be trusting him. For me I work with elected leaders of countries.

You have no problem with him nowadays?

Yes, we have no problem with President Kabila. One of the reasons why the situation doesn’t change is the appointment of the intervention brigade by the United Nations.

Recently the UN has installed the flying drones at the borders of Congo, Uganda and Rwanda. Do you think it is a good thing or it doesn’t bother you?

I have no problem. Drones are just eyes in the sky; so, they should be seeing what is happening, so I have no problem at all.

You don’t have any issue with that?

I don’t have any problem.

I want to get back to the International Criminal Court; you remember some years ago, Uganda referred the situation in the north of the country to the ICC. Do you regret that decision given your criticism of the ICC?

No, that time [Joseph] Kony was not in Uganda, he was in another country where we had no access to him. So, that is why we used a third court (ICC) which could pressurise the other country where Kony was, but in the case of Kenya these are within the jurisdiction of Kenya.

Why should the ICC insist on trying them far away from their country?
Secondly, some of the problems of Africa are not legal, they are ideological but the ICC seems to be using legal, legal… when in fact these issues are ideological. We think that is a shallow way of dealing with perceptional issues…

Are some of the issues racial?

I don’t know whether it is racist but it is certainly shallow, that is serious.

Do you think African states should withdraw from the ICC?

We may have to do that. If we are in bad company, we may have to do that, but we are still studying it.

Would you advise President Kenyatta not to attend his trials in the ICC?

He shouldn’t attend, if it was me I wouldn’t go there, because he is the elected leader of Kenya. If they want to… many of our constitutions say that when somebody is in office, he doesn’t go to our own courts, our internal courts, you wait until he has finished his mandate then you can take him to the other court if you want because the immunity doesn’t continue forever.

Last question, Mr President; you have been in power for 27 years; are you considering running again for president in the next elections scheduled for 2016?

That will be for my party to decide.

But you don’t rule it out?

That will be for my party to decide, that is what I am telling you.

Don’t you think that after many years in power it is a good sign for leaders to say, I am [exiting] the stage for younger generations to take over?

It depends on the assignments because if that was the approach, I have been acting for the last 50 years. It is not only 27 years, 50 years but much of that 50 years I was in the resistance. So, if I had said that I have resisted for five years, this is enough let me go home, what would have happened?

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+4 #31 beebwa 2013-12-13 18:38
If I was Kabila, I`d hand over the case against Makenga to the ICC.

ICC would then issue an international warrant of arrest for Makenga, and I`d see how Museven would sweat!!
+3 #32 Remase 2013-12-13 19:01
Who is M7 resisting? For crying out loud! Whom is he resisting for 50 years? Or for the last 28 years, for that matter! His party will decide my ass!

This guy has no shame, he can't answer a straight question. It's him and him alone who has imposed himself on us by force. His party is just in cahoots with him.
0 #33 angry 2013-12-13 19:05
  • you leader of ouganda,listen you think Drc is ur garden or, dnt talk about it ,if both ouganda or rwanda support M23 the war will harm Drc,shame on you guy both country and ur counterpart kabila tutsi rwandais,in Drc there is also army ,dnt think rubbish how you are
+2 #34 Akot 2013-12-13 19:29
Agreed & thank you to all contributors for informing us & letting all know the enemy of Uganda-Ugandans is Museveni!

Obama can stop persuing LRA/Kony for they are no danger for any one in the country because his dirty meaningless war was rejected by the entire country & Kony has no where to go in Uganda, inless he surrenders together with his band!

Obama can stop wasting USA tax payers money helping Museveni hunt down Kony & direct attention to the right ICC targets - Museveni-Kagame , who are the reason the Great Lake Region is in sich turmoil!

There are 2 choises for kony/LRA;
Unconditional surrender to UN, or
Collective suicide!
Museveni lost his right of citizenship of Uganda long ago!
+2 #35 Remase 2013-12-13 19:55
Forks, you are amazing! You guys are so funny! None of you have bought into M7's answers. Denzil has a good question, "Whether it is his party that decided that he goes to the bush so that we wait for the party's decision since he can not make a personal decision to say enough is enough?"

Further he said that, "I have been acting for 50 years. It is not only 27 years, so if I had said that I have resisted for five years..."

Where is the party here that decided for him to resist for 50 years? All I see here is, "I have been active... So, if I had said that I have..." I my you know what! Then he says that my party will decide!!!
+3 #36 Nelly 2013-12-13 20:17
Sultan Makenga is a Ugandan. He was a soldier in the NRM in the 90s and went with the Kagames to fight in Rwanda.

Later he was planted into the DRC as the M23 leader by the regime in Kampala. That is one of the main reasons why they are protecting him.
+4 #37 Kansweera 2013-12-13 21:36
Quoting Jomo:
No wonder the Congolese have carried their agreement to go and sign from Nairobi.

Despite all the bravado and claims to fighting regressive forces, the government in Kampala has become so untrustworthy our neighbours don't really believe in it keeping its side of the bargain!

There was NO AGREEMENT signed in Nairobi. The Congolese Government stuck its ground. What was signed was a DECLARATION by the M23 as a defeated force to renounce any further violence.
+2 #38 wodgot 2013-12-14 12:40
Yes, you were in action for 50 years and most it was spent on useless and very unpopular resistance.

We know that even those Ugandans who joined you in the struggle, misconstrued your doctrine of resistance and it's the main reason why Movement is falling apart.
-6 #39 Uthman Ssali 2013-12-14 15:20
African states should handle their affairs without foreign intervention
+3 #40 Anonymous 2013-12-14 17:09
Uganda needs to tighten its immigration law by deporting all foreign criminals and also terminating their citizenship in our country.
+5 #41 Betty Long Cap 2013-12-14 17:19
Quoting Uthman Ssali:
African states should handle their affairs without foreign intervention

Total agreement, Uthman Ssali. But we bleeding heart foreigners see how African states handle their internal affairs and are appalled.

Would you like investors, tourists, and missionaries to stay away too? Or would you prefer our governments just send money so your dictators can siphon off 80% without accountability.

As global recession becomes depression, Uthman Ssali will have his way.
+2 #42 Francis 2013-12-15 12:40
Uganda needs to tighten its immigration law by deporting all foreign criminals and also terminating their citizenship in our country
Unfortunately, you are appealing to Kaihura, M7 and Aronda, all of whom are foreigners who've seen the benefits of open border Uganda.

Does it surprise you that every Expelled foreigner ends up in Uganda with diplomatic passport??!!
+3 #43 akena richard 2013-12-15 13:42
kabila shouldnot make a mistake of signing a peace deal with m23 so that museveni ideas is expose to the world.

why is he keeping makenga here when he hate kony and refered kony to icc. . he should take makenga also to congo authorities as well as to icc if he didnt back him
+1 #44 Jimmy 2013-12-15 20:56
"It is not only 27 years, 50 years but much of that 50 years I was in the resistance. So, if I had said that I have resisted for five years, this is enough let me go home, what would have happened?"

Of course Uganda would have got a better president than Yoweri Museveni.
+3 #45 Lakwena 2013-12-16 08:03
Quoting Francis:
Uganda needs to tighten its immigration law by deporting all foreign criminals and also terminating their citizenship in our country

Unfortunately, you are appealing to Kaihura, M7 and Aronda, all of whom are foreigners who've seen the benefits of open border Uganda.

Does it surprise you that every Expelled foreigner ends up in Uganda with diplomatic passport??!!
Francis, you are on the money. Kaihura, M7 and Aronda's names are on the UNHCR List in Geneva.

Kayihura's father/parents entered Uganda as refugees, so was M7's. They have gradually and strategically placed themselves in equally sensitive and strategical positions in public offices in order to dig in and expand their tentacles.

Uprooting them will have to be a vicious one.

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